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Didn't "Sloop John B "exist for decades before it appeared on Pet Sounds?

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Decades? Yeah, decades.

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Elections have consequences.

i hope you aren't serious.

Brooklyn Vegan is 100x better for actual news content

i do enjoy checking out the reviews at times.

i've always loved the fest but it's been going downhill lineup wise the last few years, so this probably the nail in the coffin for that too. It's hard to believe a band like Jesus Lizard once played; now it's basically 75% glitchy electro pop chicks like Caroline Polachek and Charli XCX, and 25% Big Thief

The Gathering of the Juggalos looks like 4th of July at Wal-Mart.

The Quietus is quite good if you like not so normie music. Their album reviews don't give out number scores, which every other site can't get away from.

I guess we can add Pitchfork to the list of bands I've never seen perform live.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not sure, but it sucks. I think that there was an argument about whether it or "Good Vibrations" should appear on the album and someone made the wrong choice.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

Of course I'm serious. Do you listen to albums start to finish? If you do, I would guess you're in a small minority in the era of personalized Spotify playlists.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

yes i listen to records. So, start to finish. I don't normally listen to things any other way.

i mean of course i listen to digital things in my car/at work but again i generally listen to albums.
people still make them you know

if you're listening to Olivio Rodrigo i guess maybe you aren't

Like I said, even many modern pop artists make what we might call "albums", but I'm not sure many of them see the collections of songs they release as an "album" as a comprehensive artistic project rather than just a manner of releasing the individual songs. (I'm sure I could articulate that better if I thought about it for a bit, but you understand what I mean.)

For example, I doubt there would ever be as much discussion about the track sequencing of a Taylor Swift record as there has been about "BIg Star's Third."

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Olivia Rodrigo's entire shtick being a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl whose target audience is horny old guys like us?

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

JORR / Rick Beato = MATCH !!!

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Did Beato weigh in on Olivia Rodrigo? He's horny too.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

Maybe i don't know what you're aruging.

Music is watered down/playlists/people listen to Taylor Swift. OK

That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people making real music, that people are going to see. That make albums. That people listen to. What's at the Liars Club this weekend?

Hey, who ate up all of your corn?

I guess we're getting back to what Curious and Warren were discussing. I'm not calling today's music "watered down" or suggesting that Taylor Swift is less of an artist than Van Morrison.

It's just different. Most of it may not be my thing. That's fine. I'm an old guy. Like Dylan said, "Don't criticize what you can't understand."

I'm sure I could find plenty of good young guitar bands that I like playing in basements or clubs. Occasionally I do. I happened upon a good live band called Silvertone last week. I looked them up on Spotify and I'm not a fan of their records. But they put on a good rock show. Their ridiculous rock star moves made me smile.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

I'm pretty sure it's a folk song from the African diaspora. I don't care enough to look it up.

Also, "Sloop John B" is a pretty good tune, and without it we likely wouldn't have the stone cold masterpiece "John Allyn Smith Sails" by Okkervil River.

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I think there's a question of perceived authenticity at the heart of this debate. The emergence of cultural studies--and the treatment of pop cultural artifacts as legitimate forms of artistic expression--has provided the intellectual underpinnings for poptimists, who dispensed with the (19th century) Romantic conception of authorship, audience, and authenticity championed by rockists.

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what?

I think the heart of this debate is whether or not you think it's possible to listen to a whole bunch of music and then reason your way to a determination of the greatest music of all time. I think all of our musical preferences are happenstance. In other words, if you changed any one of your: age, race, gender, and friends, you would have different music tastes. Therefore, it's really difficult to say that someone has bad tastes in music, because everyone's taste is somewhat of an accident. So, while there are ridiculous extremes to some of their positions, I think the poptimists are ultimately in the right.

Why’s everyone slagging on my 10yo daughter’s favorite artist Olivia Rodrigo?!? For punishment someone needs to give me tickets to Rodrigo’s UC show on 3/19 or 3/20 so I don’t have to spend $300 a ticket to take her.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

i
want
to rip off beck

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