I've posted my ideas or concessions in the past but I have read more than a few posts saying the gun owners are silent or are unwilling to make concessions so I thought I'd share my thoughts again. I know you can't wait.

Personally, when I think of why I own weapons, I don't think of anything more than holding my own until well trained help can arrive. I don't think I'll need to fight off the us government or a zombie apocalypse but I can see myself needing to fend off a crazed addict looking to score a few bucks for a fix or a crazy person who followed my hot wife home and intends to assault her. Therefore, my weapon needs in this regard are limited to a reliable handgun of suitable caliber to stop a large male suspect under the influence of drugs or alcohol (worst case scenario which I tend to refer to as the "Moro Warrior" scenario).

As a hunter of deer and upland game, I feel that the extent of my hunting requirements are a large caliber shotgun for upland game (using small shot) and a smaller caliber for slugs for deer. Essentially a simple 12 and 20g does just fine.

I never understood the fascination with assault weapons. To clarify, I'm using the term assault weapons as synonymous with the ar15 although that's not exactly what an assault weapon is but as that's becoming a bit of a looser term these days I thought I'd go ahead and just say that.

Therefore, I would be willing to concede that an average citizen doesn't really need that kind of weapon in order to adequately defend himself or his family, and unless a sworn peace officer or a security agent, unnecessary to own. I certainly don't think an 18 year old kid with an 18 year old brain which we know is not fully developed psychologically needs a weapon such as that. Kids of that age do not have full understanding of cause and effect nor do they have impulse control.

Illinois has on average tighter controls of getting credentials to purchase firearms than most states yet there are almost zero training requirements. Before being licensed to own a weapon I would be willing to concede that 20 to 40 hours of training on firearm safety and function should be required. Additional training or demonstration of competency for any particular model or platform you wish to purchase should also be required.

Extend waiting periods until the purchaser clears checks by local, state, and federal agencies. While we're at it run it thru INTERPOL as well because we don't need no fly or terrorist watch list individuals getting weapons either. If it takes 30 days so be it. If you really must have a gun faster than that... I kind of have to wonder why.

Any and all transfer must go thru a FFL. Absolutely no exceptions. None. For any reason. No stupid gun show exceptions, no private transfers none of that shit.

I truly don't believe magazine size is an issue. I've become quite adept in the handling of my firearms and swapping and empty for a full takes me less than a second at this point. Whether I have a Wilson combat 8 round magazine or a 17 round doublestack doesn't change the number of rounds I can fire in a minute significantly. We can talk about that if you like, I'm open to the conversation but I don't think this makes a difference.

The penalties for illegal possession of a firearm need to be stiffened significantly. I have heard of guys carrying and getting caught and essentially paying a fine. That's bullshit. If you have a weapon illegally I have to assume it's because you intend to commit a horrible crime with it. Mandatory sentences or much stiffer penalties are a big need.

These are my starting points. I'm willing to negotiate. Let's reach an accord.

I've posted my ideas or concessions in the past but I have read more than a few posts saying the gun owners are silent or are unwilling to make concessions so I thought I'd share my thoughts again. I know you can't wait.

Personally, when I think of why I own weapons, I don't think of anything more than holding my own until well trained help can arrive. I don't think I'll need to fight off the us government or a zombie apocalypse but I can see myself needing to fend off a crazed addict looking to score a few bucks for a fix or a crazy person who followed my hot wife home and intends to assault her. Therefore, my weapon needs in this regard are limited to a reliable handgun of suitable caliber to stop a large male suspect under the influence of drugs or alcohol (worst case scenario which I tend to refer to as the "Moro Warrior" scenario).

As a hunter of deer and upland game, I feel that the extent of my hunting requirements are a large caliber shotgun for upland game (using small shot) and a smaller caliber for slugs for deer. Essentially a simple 12 and 20g does just fine.

I never understood the fascination with assault weapons. To clarify, I'm using the term assault weapons as synonymous with the ar15 although that's not exactly what an assault weapon is but as that's becoming a bit of a looser term these days I thought I'd go ahead and just say that.

Therefore, I would be willing to concede that an average citizen doesn't really need that kind of weapon in order to adequately defend himself or his family, and unless a sworn peace officer or a security agent, unnecessary to own. I certainly don't think an 18 year old kid with an 18 year old brain which we know is not fully developed psychologically needs a weapon such as that. Kids of that age do not have full understanding of cause and effect nor do they have impulse control.

Illinois has on average tighter controls of getting credentials to purchase firearms than most states yet there are almost zero training requirements. Before being licensed to own a weapon I would be willing to concede that 20 to 40 hours of training on firearm safety and function should be required. Additional training or demonstration of competency for any particular model or platform you wish to purchase should also be required.

Extend waiting periods until the purchaser clears checks by local, state, and federal agencies. While we're at it run it thru INTERPOL as well because we don't need no fly or terrorist watch list individuals getting weapons either. If it takes 30 days so be it. If you really must have a gun faster than that... I kind of have to wonder why.

Any and all transfer must go thru a FFL. Absolutely no exceptions. None. For any reason. No stupid gun show exceptions, no private transfers none of that shit.

I truly don't believe magazine size is an issue. I've become quite adept in the handling of my firearms and swapping and empty for a full takes me less than a second at this point. Whether I have a Wilson combat 8 round magazine or a 17 round doublestack doesn't change the number of rounds I can fire in a minute significantly. We can talk about that if you like, I'm open to the conversation but I don't think this makes a difference.

The penalties for illegal possession of a firearm need to be stiffened significantly. I have heard of guys carrying and getting caught and essentially paying a fine. That's bullshit. If you have a weapon illegally I have to assume it's because you intend to commit a horrible crime with it. Mandatory sentences or much stiffer penalties are a big need.

These are my starting points. I'm willing to negotiate. Let's reach an accord.

This is just a feeble attempt to absolve yourself of responsibility for kids being murdered, same as the "mental health" NRA talking point. The reality is that you and the JORRs of the world vote for and financially support people whose stated goal get as many guns in the hands of as many people as possible. The collateral damage is just a necessary fact of your life.

https://apnews.com/553ff88b430a4334868105f7a943b912

the responses in this thread justify my stance in not giving the grabbers an inch.

This is just a feeble attempt to absolve yourself of responsibility for kids being murdered, same as the "mental health" NRA talking point. The reality is that you and the JORRs of the world vote for and financially support people whose stated goal get as many guns in the hands of as many people as possible. The collateral damage is just a necessary fact of your life.

https://apnews.com/553ff88b430a4334868105f7a943b912

Shut up, you fuckin' pussy. People like you want to be the final arbiters deciding who has guns. Because I guarantee if someone were breaking into your home you'd be begging for somebody to show up with a gun.

the responses in this thread justify my stance in not giving the grabbers an inch.

I actually own a (shot)gun. At some point the Trump voters/gun nuts of the world like you need to own up to the consequences of their actions. It's really shouldn't be that hard.

Trust me fellas. You want blokes like me armed.

Of course. There are maniacs like DannyB out there with shotguns.

Ah he's just trolling. Almost admirable