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Are you a liberal?
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On everything but economics, which is the only smart answer.


And the somewhat funny thing is that the term Liberal, when classically applied to economics refers to free and open markets.


Yup. Capitalism was once considered to be a very Liberal ideology. That's why these classifications are not very accurate and highly generalized.

It should be noted that "classical liberalism" is pretty much synonymous with libertarianism.

It's one of the reason that right wing pundits who tar their opponents as "liberals" are so fucking retarded.

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Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a social democrat but not a liberal.

seems like that describes many on this board.....

Hatchetman wrote:
I would have considered myself a liberal 10-15 years ago. Now I'm a conservative. But my views have hardly changed.


also seems like that describes many on this board.....


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
On everything but economics, which is the only smart answer.


Yeah. This.


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Never again. I am complicit in the death spiral of our once-great society.


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I continue to define myself as a Lacanian (via Kojeve and Hegel) Marxist with significant Kropotkinian Anarchist and Negrian tendencies.

Truly, our economy (and its various supporting/supportive cultural apparatus) is structured like the unconscious mind, which itself is well from which language (in terms of structure and structuration tendencies) drinks heavily. It's all who ya know. And over here, you got yer favoritism.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:17 am 
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we got some mults voting on this? Libs making a strong comeback.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
On everything but economics, which is the only smart answer.


Yeah. This.


Economic liberalism is not what you think it is. If anything economic liberalism would be closer to views espoused by Adam Smith and F.A. Hayek.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Do classical liberals count?

No, because usually they're just people obsessed with property who want to brand themselves as something less odious.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Do classical liberals count?

No, because usually they're just people obsessed with property who want to brand themselves as something less odious.

That's pretty dishonest when you can trace the origins of the ideology all the way to 17th century philosophers such as Locke.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:39 am 
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Saying "no, in fact, I'm the liberal" while having a toddler meltdown about AR-15s is the dishonesty.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:41 am 
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Yes.

The terms liberal and conservative were originally derived from religion. As I remember it the terms arose over the question of papal fallibility/infallibility. Those that were liberal tended to dismiss the notion that the Pope should remain infallible. Those that were Conservative tended to believe that the Pope should maintain an air of infallibility. Other things began to be extrapolated from these differences and eventually the terms were applied to business and politics.

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Not really. I consider myself republican but tend to lean left on some social issues.

This is me.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Saying "no, in fact, I'm the liberal" while having a toddler meltdown about AR-15s is the dishonesty.


no saying no that's dishonesty to say I'm a liberal when having a toddler meltdown about being called dishonest when saying no, I"M the liberal! That's dishonest!

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Curious Hair wrote:
Saying "no, in fact, I'm the liberal" while having a toddler meltdown about AR-15s is the dishonesty.

You're forgetting that liberalism spans quite a spectrum. To say that liberal means just one thing would be like me tying you to Venezuela because you support Bernie. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that as it would be equally dishonest.

It should also be noted that the 2nd Amendment (and the entire Bill of Rights for that matter) was drafted Madison, who himself was heavily influenced by Locke.

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Nobody is more liberal than me.

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I do not have the gay. So no I'm not a liberal.

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we got some mults voting on this? Libs making a strong comeback.


:lol: I'm not liberal and I demand to know how illegal immigrants help American citizens.

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As my dad once explained it, if you like programs that waste a lot of taxpayers money and provide little real value, be a democrat. If you like seeing those programs repeatedly destroyed and replaced, vote republican.

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Curious Hair wrote:
Saying "no, in fact, I'm the liberal" while having a toddler meltdown about AR-15s is the dishonesty.


no saying no that's dishonesty to say I'm a liberal when having a toddler meltdown about being called dishonest when saying no, I"M the liberal! That's dishonest!

Wot?


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Yeah I'm about as liberal as they get.

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I used to say I was a moderate. Now I will proudly say I am a democrat after the disgusting behavior from Trump and the overall greed shown by the GOP. The GOP has shown everyone what is most important to them. $$$$$$$$$

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
On everything but economics, which is the only smart answer.


And the somewhat funny thing is that the term Liberal, when classically applied to economics refers to free and open markets.


Yup. Capitalism was once considered to be a very Liberal ideology. That's why these classifications are not very accurate and highly generalized.

It should be noted that "classical liberalism" is pretty much synonymous with libertarianism.

It's one of the reason that right wing pundits who tar their opponents as "liberals" are so fucking retarded.


That's exactly what I said earlier in the thread, you stupid piece of shit.

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I will never vote for a GOP and doubt my kids ever will either.

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No one is more liberal than me.

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I don't vote party, but I vote for who I can feel is the least full of shit. This tends to lean only slightly left. By maybe a hair.

As far as my political philosophies, they would no doubt identify as liberal.

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Nas wrote:
No one is more liberal than me.


Liberal than I... :D

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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
No one is more liberal than me.


Liberal than I... :D

Naw, he good


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tommy wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
No one is more liberal than me.


Liberal than I... :D

Naw, he good


Are you an English teacher? Not being smart... I thought I recalled you saying that.

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leashyourkids wrote:
tommy wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
No one is more liberal than me.


Liberal than I... :D

Naw, he good


Are you an English teacher? Not being smart... I thought I recalled you saying that.

Unfortunately, I am.


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