Yeah basketball is not just five 1 on 1 match ups. Many players have a specific job on the court. Maybe it is defense or rebounding or stand in a corner to shoot 3s.

And scoring is by far the most important thing. What you guys are arguing is akin tro arguing that a flawless utility infielder is as good as David Ortiz.

The counter argument is devolving to something like, "Pippen is better than Durant because Michael Jordan is going to score more than both of them."

You're so out of your depth here.

You must not remember World B. Free, Maravich or George Gervin.

JORR: In baseball wins are the most important thing.

Also JORR: In basketball stats are the most important thing.

The team that scores more wins.

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The team that scores more wins.

There is no baseball analogy that works here. But it's telling you think one does.

Nobody in this thread to my knowledge has said Pippen was a better player than Durant is.

The team that scores more wins.

That kills your argument

Does this mean all players can be compared by ppg?

It depends on whether you want to have a real conversation or beat me over the head with Bullscentricity.

Of course it does. You attempted to compare role-playing rebounding and defensive specialists to key superstars.

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

Your premise is insane. Let's take it to it's logical hypothetical end point. Kawhi Leonard and Durant guard eachother when the Clippers and Nets play. Durant takes every single shot for the Nets. Shoots 20-70 from the field. Scores 50 points. Kawhi shoots 12-20 from the field, scores 30 points, to go with 8 assists and 8 rebounds. The Clippers win 120-50. There's no version of that game where Durant is the better player. You're completing ignoring efficiency, as well as literally everything else that goes into playing basketball like defense, passing, dribbling, shooting, etc.

Baseball has plenty of all-star level, impactful players that don’t produce much offense.

Does this mean all players can be compared by ppg?

Except it doesn't.

In Game 1 of the ECF in 1997, Penny Hardaway scored 38 Jordan only scored 21. The Bulls won by 27 points.

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Let's leave pitchers out of the discussion.

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

If they guarded each other every game they could.

Why? They’re representative of players who don’t need to score to have a tremendous impact on the game. Basketball is a more fluid game so the distinctions aren’t as obvious, but it’s fundamentally the same premise - different players do different things.

Of course it does. You attempted to compare role-playing rebounding and defensive specialists to key superstars.

I agree that scoring efficiency matters. Are you now suggesting that Durant is a less efficient scorer than Scottie Pippen?

I went back and looked at some old posts, and there is one where JORR strongly hints that Pippen may have been better than Jordan during the second 3peat.

I reject the premise. I understand that different basketball players do different things. But that's because they aren't equally skilled and capable. A pitcher cannot hit a homerun (as a pitcher). There is nothing stopping Dennis Rodman from scoring more than Kobe Bryant except Dennis Rodman's ability.

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

If you think Pippen was a role player, and you do, then there's not much more I can say to convince you you are wrong. But there's likely less than 10 people in the world who would agree with you, if that.

If he wasn't a role player then why can't he be discussed without Michael Jordan's name being brought up within five minutes?

Why is preventing offense necessarily a lesser skill than creating offense?