From what I understand, the owners have wanted to discuss it and the players won't even have a talk about it.

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Every other league in America does it. I don't see why baseball couldn't come to do the same thing.

But, call the owners bluff then.

Right now, they want the Pirates to spend more money but they don't want the Red Sox and Yankees to spend less.

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will the lockout draw more viewers than an NBA game?

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The NFL does not share all revenue.

Just not being able for the players to say yes we take a cap prevents them from getting the floor.

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The NFL has revenue sharing. Don't try and argue otherwise.

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The owners are willing to "share revenue" based on their cooked books.

The NFL isn't the model you think it is. NFL players are getting a raw deal. Your fanaticism for the sport doesn't make that FACT moot.

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Then don't try to argue baseball players get 54%. Deal?

This is always the fallback. The accounting practices are well known and collectively bargained by both sides. The NFL is clear what local revenue is and how it isn't included.

If your argument is that the MLB players do better with their system then I have no problem with that being the argument. Just don't complain that the Pirates don't spend enough of their money on players when you create a system where they don't have to.

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Of course they do better than NFL players. (Although that is irrelevant to their negotiations with MLB owners.) The players had been winning these labor battles for years up until recently. Frankly, I'm surprised the players haven't dumped Tony Clark.



That's what the players are negotiating to fix. It's not difficult to understand.

The owners' constant refrain that they are "losing money" is a lie and a bad faith " negotiating tactic."

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https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/2/21/17035624/mlb-revenue-sharing-owners-players-free-agency-rob-manfred

You can put the data in many different formats, but that has a chart(that MLBPA has basically admitted is accurate) that put it at around 50% for the major leagues and around 54% for major league + minor league.

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Exactly. The players have it better than anyone else in pro sports and are cancelling games both in the COVID year and now.

To fix what? They want the Pirates to pay more but the Red Sox and Yankees to keep on paying the same.

If you want to be able to tell the Pirates how much they have to spend then you have to be able to tell the Yankees how much they can spend too.

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OK. No deal
The NFL does not share all revenue.

(that MLBPA has basically admitted is accurate) Link please.

Of course the NFL doesn't share all revenue. That's not a requirement for revenue sharing. It is plainly spelled out what revenue is not shared and it's agreed to by both parties.

It was in my link that they basically admitted is accurate.

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No you don't. A salary cap is un-American. A salary floor is not.

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That's an absurd argument.

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I was confused when listening to John Heyman question Manfred on the CBT increase. He was intimating that the players want the threshold to go higher than $220m to keep pace with revenues and inflation. But shouldn't they want it to be lower if their goal is more teams spending and competing?

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I don't care about the revenue aspect. I care about the watered down aspect of expanded playoffs. You can't play 162 then have a bunch of 1 game play in games determine who gets into the A/NLDS

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It is? There's a minimum wage. Is there a maximum wage?

The issue we're now discussing really has nothing to do with players. It's about the fact that the Yankees and Red Sox are useless if there aren't other teams. The owners should sort out among themselves how to create competitive franchises when all locations aren't equal.

What you're suggesting is like if you and I both owned fast food franchises and we needed each other to exist. Mine was located at North & Damen and yours was in Cairo, IL. Your answer is making me pay my employees less rather than figuring out how to pay yours more.

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We aren't talking about government regulations.

I don't really think the analogy fits but isn't your argument simply the opposite, which is forcing me to pay the same rates as you rather than both of us doing what is best for our organization?

The Yankees and Red Sox are always going to outspend pretty much everyone. If you want to increase the competitiveness of other teams then set parameters on how much and how little you can spend.

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Are they though? They seem to be throwing out things they know to be unacceptable to the owners then running to Twitter/friendly media as soon as they’re rejected.

That doesn’t seem like a negotiation. Seems like they’re trying to win a PR war with people who don’t care about PR.

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Bernstein crying about MLB pauper player's salaries stalling at 4 mil the last few years. But it's ok he's made millions living like a king while fellow Score host Les made peanuts and wasn't given hospitalization without Bernstein being outraged he couldn't go to a doctor his final weeks. But he's outraged millionaires are being hardball contract negotiated.

Nameless "MLBPA Spokesman".

Some spokesman.

The Walt Disney Company announced that it has agreed to purchase the majority stake in BAMTech, the digital media company spun off from MLB Advanced Media for $2.58 billion.

Not included in the "54%"

Are you saying they are lying about talking to a MLBPA spokesman? This was done in 2018 in a major news source. I don't think MLBPA has called them out for making it up.

MLB Advanced Media is included in the data in the chart. Based on the date of the Disney purchase, it probably would be in the 2018 numbers but the chart only goes up to 2017 since the article was written in 2018.

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So how long do we think this lasts?

I think the most optimistic timeline is Opening Day around May 1st. It would not surprise me if this drags to or past Memorial Day though.

Its just brutal.

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It's interesting (and understandable) that Sox fans are more upset about it than Cubs fans. This is supposed to be the Sox' year, while the Cubs are in The Plan: Part Deux.

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I’m guessing mid-May. I’m basing that on nothing.

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Cubs fans probably didn't expect more than 80 wins at best or so from their club, but MANY will miss the games not being played.

Definitely hurts the Sox more, but JERRY! hates Manfred and iirc was one of the only owners to vote "NO" to Manfred becoming Commissioner.

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How do we look at the Braves $104 million profit after the 2021 revenues have been dispersed?

What do you mean?

The Braves made $104 million profit after $457 million spent. That seems to be a justifiable profit for the World Series champions.

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