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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:08 am 
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Now where they have to be faulted is for ignoring the OL in the meantime. That is the biggest issue and the main reason why Poles should be given a short leash on this build.




I think what we’re learning right now is that coaching matters. Obviously ignoring the O-line hurts too.. but we’ve had bad coaching since Trestman and it kills so much of the team.


And Poles has to eat this one -he could have rightly launched Eberflus at the end of the Fields campaign, a campaign which proved he couldn’t develop a QB. But.. he hitched his wagon to him and looked at all these other OC’s this past offseason and settled for Waldron when the world was their oyster.


So far we know a few things about Poles -he can’t identify coaching talent, can’t seem to identify O-line talent, and he’s willing to over pay for things when he doesn’t need to. None of those things are assets to being a successful GM


Yeah I am definitely leaning in that direction as well. They did play hard for Flus last year and I understand kind of why they gave him another year. But it seems more and more clear they should have started with a clean slate of coaches and QB. Now if things continue to go bad they will have to launch Flus at end of year and Williams will have to start over with another staff and that will not be good for his development. And can we trust Poles to make a good hire this time around?

Frustrating.



Wanted Poles to do well, but it's hard not to start to sour on him. These guys want to look good, but seem to lack the leadership to get become a winning organization.

Taking less than what was offered for Fields. That's inexcusable to put his wants above those of his teammates and the organization.

The OL is still a huge problem.

Flus looks like a damn good DC, but lacks the extra needed to be a great head coach.

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Do you also fire Ryan poles and start over with a new GM/Coach team? wouldnt that be the right way to do it?

Poles Pros:
-decent drafts, but not exceptional. 2023 class is trending the wrong direction (Wright, stevenson, dexter, pickens)
-made the panthers trade
-FA has been hit or miss


Poles cons:
-picked wrong head coach
-lucked into panthers trade thanks to all time great bears HC lovie smith winning that game on hail mary
-offensive line talent and development abysmal
-Claypool trade


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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.


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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.


do you ever stop with the bad taeks?


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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.


do you ever stop with the bad taeks?

Darnell Wright- painfully average, not worth a top ten pick in any way.
Tyrique Stevenson- pariah figure, hated by fans
Caleb Williams- bust

Bears are very lucky Stroud’s play has deteriorated, though as it stands they still made the wrong decision.


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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


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Do you also fire Ryan poles and start over with a new GM/Coach team? wouldnt that be the right way to do it?

Poles Pros:
-decent drafts, but not exceptional. 2023 class is trending the wrong direction (Wright, stevenson, dexter, pickens)
-made the panthers trade
-FA has been hit or miss


Poles cons:
-picked wrong head coach
-lucked into panthers trade thanks to all time great bears HC lovie smith winning that game on hail mary
-offensive line talent and development abysmal
-Claypool trade


The O-line composition makes me vote to fire Poles.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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Nardi wrote:
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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.

A quarterback has shown up in Green Bay for about 30 plus years. :lol:

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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


It look's like you wrote this crap after being waken pre maturely from youre midday nap grand paw. Its not above 50 that the bear's took the rong quarter back dumbass. Your prefered QB is rb3 in Pittsburg so your idea about trading the picke would have neted you someone benched by the best coach in the league dumbass. Stick to bingo and lose the nursing home internet pass word bitch.

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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


It look's like you wrote this crap after being waken pre maturely from youre midday nap grand paw. Its not above 50 that the bear's took the rong quarter back dumbass. Your prefered QB is rb3 in Pittsburg so your idea about trading the picke would have neted you someone benched by the best coach in the league dumbass. Stick to bingo and lose the nursing home internet pass word bitch.


Just when you thought you'd seen the last of the "Dumb mult", he's back!

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Nardi wrote:
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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.

Caleb is the most sacked rookie QB and it's not anywhere close, on top of being the most sacked NFL QB overall. CJ Stroud (remember when everyone wanted Caleb to be him?) has been sacked 15 fewer times and the two have very similar passing lines.

The next closest rookie is Jayden Daniels, who has been sacked nearly half as much as Caleb, then Drake Maye, then Bo Nix, who has nearly two-thirds fewer sacks than the Bears rookie. The kid has had two games this season where he's sacked on almost a quarter of his pass attempts, and Maye, Daniels and Nix have a combined zero games with a sack% above 20%. In fact, Caleb Williams has the same number of double-digit sack% games (7) as all of those other rookies combined.

Between Waldron's playcalling and the offensive line, this team has nearly killed Caleb's rookie season, and even then he's gone on to rattle off a couple of 100+ passer rating games (and two more which were close enough) against good teams.

This is, as LTG was saying when he was dismissing an 8-game slide by Justin Fields in his second season, a "moral victory".


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
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Nardi wrote:
USA wrote:
The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


Not trading the pick and keeping Fields was the most fireable offense. Poles had a plan and a vision but he panicked and deviated from it because he believed that he had the "Next Patrick Mahomes" and didn't want to be lambasted for being the 2nd Bears GM to miss out on it.

Tanking in 2022 was sound strategy.
Developing Fields was sound strategy.
Stockpiling Picks was sound strategy

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USA wrote:
The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


Not trading the pick and keeping Fields was the most fireable offense. Poles had a plan and a vision but he panicked and deviated from it because he believed that he had the "Next Patrick Mahomes" and didn't want to be lambasted for being the 2nd Bears GM to miss out on it.

Tanking in 2022 was sound strategy.
Developing Fields was sound strategy.
Stockpiling Picks was sound strategy


He's/they is rb3 dumb ass. Go develop a train ticket and transport yourself to Pittsburg.

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He They Xe Xem wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
USA wrote:
The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


Not trading the pick and keeping Fields was the most fireable offense. Poles had a plan and a vision but he panicked and deviated from it because he believed that he had the "Next Patrick Mahomes" and didn't want to be lambasted for being the 2nd Bears GM to miss out on it.

Tanking in 2022 was sound strategy.
Developing Fields was sound strategy.
Stockpiling Picks was sound strategy


He's/they is rb3 dumb ass. Go develop a train ticket and transport yourself to Pittsburg.


This is the Return, Of The Dumb Mult!

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Nardi wrote:
USA wrote:
The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.

Caleb is the most sacked rookie QB and it's not anywhere close, on top of being the most sacked NFL QB overall. CJ Stroud (remember when everyone wanted Caleb to be him?) has been sacked 15 fewer times and the two have very similar passing lines.

The next closest rookie is Jayden Daniels, who has been sacked nearly half as much as Caleb, then Drake Maye, then Bo Nix, who has nearly two-thirds the sack total of the Bears rookie. The kid has had two games this season where he's sacked on almost a quarter of his pass attempts, and Maye, Daniels and Nix have a combined zero games with a sack% above 20%. In fact, Caleb Williams has the same number of double-digit sack% games (7) as all of those other rookies combined.

Between Waldron's playcalling and the offensive line, this team has nearly killed Caleb's rookie season, and even then he's gone on to rattle off a couple of 100+ passer rating games (and two more which were close enough) against good teams.

This is, as LTG was saying when he was dismissing an 8-game slide by Justin Fields in his second season, a "moral victory".

:lol: You knew he would come in here and cite the passer rating in a game where the Bears offense broke the post-2000 record for least yards in a half of football.


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The question of whether Caleb Williams will ever be a good quarterback for the Bears is decided. The question now is when will Bears fans and Bears media acknowledge the obvious truth?


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Nardi wrote:
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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


It look's like you wrote this crap after being waken pre maturely from youre midday nap grand paw. Its not above 50 that the bear's took the rong quarter back dumbass. Your prefered QB is rb3 in Pittsburg so your idea about trading the picke would have neted you someone benched by the best coach in the league dumbass. Stick to bingo and lose the nursing home internet pass word bitch.

So far, all three are better. That's 0-3. 'Picked the wrong QB' is somewhere between 50-60% odds. One of the three is probably going to be better than Caleb. And two more haven't even played yet. Just because I look at something rationally doesn't mean I want to suck rb3's cock. He's terrible too.

And bingo is life....You gonna shovel our bus stop this year?


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USA wrote:
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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.

Caleb is the most sacked rookie QB and it's not anywhere close, on top of being the most sacked NFL QB overall. CJ Stroud (remember when everyone wanted Caleb to be him?) has been sacked 15 fewer times and the two have very similar passing lines.

The next closest rookie is Jayden Daniels, who has been sacked nearly half as much as Caleb, then Drake Maye, then Bo Nix, who has nearly two-thirds the sack total of the Bears rookie. The kid has had two games this season where he's sacked on almost a quarter of his pass attempts, and Maye, Daniels and Nix have a combined zero games with a sack% above 20%. In fact, Caleb Williams has the same number of double-digit sack% games (7) as all of those other rookies combined.

Between Waldron's playcalling and the offensive line, this team has nearly killed Caleb's rookie season, and even then he's gone on to rattle off a couple of 100+ passer rating games (and two more which were close enough) against good teams.

This is, as LTG was saying when he was dismissing an 8-game slide by Justin Fields in his second season, a "moral victory".

:lol: You knew he would come in here and cite the passer rating in a game where the Bears offense broke the post-2000 record for least yards in a half of football.

Yes, the offense was bad in the first half, perhaps in part because the offensive line allowed 4 sacks of their QB in that time. Four of the first five Bears drives ended with a sack. Can we now step out of your fantasyland where you only consider one half's worth of offensive stats and curiously it's always the one with the least performance?


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Nardi wrote:
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The Bears will need to find one hell of a player in the second round this year to make the Panthers trade anything other than a lose-lose for both sides.

This isn't the final score but every rookie QB that's playing is better than Caleb. DJ is a hell of a receiver. His gift is his yac. It's now above 50/50 they picked the wrong QB, and it's bigger than that that they should have traded down.

Build the team. A QB will show up. A QB has shown up in SF, Minnesota, GB, Detroit, TB, Pittsburgh(I'm shocked about that one)and Seattle.


It look's like you wrote this crap after being waken pre maturely from youre midday nap grand paw. Its not above 50 that the bear's took the rong quarter back dumbass. Your prefered QB is rb3 in Pittsburg so your idea about trading the picke would have neted you someone benched by the best coach in the league dumbass. Stick to bingo and lose the nursing home internet pass word bitch.

So far, all three are better. That's 0-3. 'Picked the wrong QB' is somewhere between 50-60% odds. One of the three is probably going to be better than Caleb. And two more haven't even played yet. Just because I look at something rationally doesn't mean I want to suck rb3's cock. He's terrible too.

And bingo is life....You gonna shovel our bus stop this year?

Daniels is playing better. Nix and Maye are pretty close to equal to Williams.

QBR hates Williams this year but QBR is highly flawed. Do we really think that Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are outplaying Fields? QBR says they are.

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Bo Nix and Drake Maye are playing vastly better football than Caleb Williams. It’s really not close.


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Do we really think that Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are outplaying Fields? QBR says they are.

Uh, yes?


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Do we really think that Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are outplaying Fields? QBR says they are.

Uh, yes?

Let's stick to Anthony Richardson. How is he outplaying Williams? He's completing 47% of his passes. He has more interceptions than touchdowns. His rating is 64.3. Williams is even running just about as well as he is, though Williams isn't running it into the end zone but qb running touchdowns can lie as the Bears offense has an equal number of rushing touchdowns as the Colts.

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Anthony Richardson is an oddity. He can only bomb it, and he sits out plays because "idk didn't feel like it lol." Say what you will about Williams being garbage in the first half, but he's still recognizably an NFL starting quarterback. I don't know what Richardson's future is, but it's not where he is now.

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Do we really think that Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are outplaying Fields? QBR says they are.

Uh, yes?

Let's stick to Anthony Richardson. How is he outplaying Williams? He's completing 47% of his passes. He has more interceptions than touchdowns. His rating is 64.3. Williams is even running just about as well as he is, though Williams isn't running it into the end zone but qb running touchdowns can lie as the Bears offense has an equal number of rushing touchdowns as the Colts.

If you take away Caleb’s garbage time stats in games where the Bears entered the fourth quarter down two or more scores Richardson is better.

Idk how to tell you guys this but the first half of a football game does actually really truly matter. Caleb Williams is literally like the worst first half quarterback in the history of professional football.


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All you have to do is not count Williams’ good stats and not count ____’s bad stats…steak dinner, BOOM.

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If you take away Caleb’s garbage time stats in games where the Bears entered the fourth quarter down two or more scores Richardson is better.
Williams has 6 games with a rating at or above 95 where his team either won or loss by 3 or less.

Richardson has 2 games with a rating at or above 65 not counting the game he threw 4 passes and got injured.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:38 pm 
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
All you have to do is not count Williams’ good stats and not count ____’s bad stats…steak dinner, BOOM.

Look if you want to tell me a handful of half baked comebacks, none of which successful and the most compelling of which had more to do with a couple of Bears special teams plays than anything Caleb Williams did, offsets being literally the worst quarterback ever in the history of the league in the first half then go for it.

How much better would he have to get to be even a Daniel Jones quality QB? Honestly more than all but a handful of guys have ever improved ever in the history of the position. And that’s just for a slightly less embarrassing level of “not good enough”.

It’s over. The only question now is when you guys realize how over it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:40 pm 
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I cannot believe I am saying this because I was extremely Anti-Fields…but Justin Fields was better than this. You spent first overall to downgrade the position.


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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ryan Poles
PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 2:41 pm 
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Yes, Caleb/Fields thread #500!

Jahns reported on the Hoge and Jahns podcast that Poles Contract was 4 years while Eberflus' was 5 years. Good work Bears.


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