No dispute on all that. If Winston retired tomorrow he’d have a better NFL career than all but probably 2% of the QBs who ever suited up in the NFL. Some guys are Winston, some guys are Brees (not for nothing 16 picks as a rookie) but you’ll never develop or know who you are if you throw swing passes to a running back 35% of the time.

It’s criminal, CRIMINAL, that with this WR room Williams has ZERO completions for more than 50 yards. If in training camp someone told you that Williams would have zero 50+ yard completions after week 15, the only logical assumption you would have is that he was injured for most, if not all of the season.

Stroud also threw for 23 TDs in 15 games. If you read what I said, Williams won’t even hit 25 TDs. I mean maybe he does, but nothing the last two weeks indicate that. Given a full 17 game season Stroud is at 25 TDs.

Herbert had 31 TDs as a rookie.
Dak 23 TDs.
Murray 20 TDs but also ran way more than the rest of the guys on this list.

Anyone with two eyeballs can see that Stroud was given the opportunity to succeed or fail downfield in a robust passing offense. Anyone with two eyeballs can see that Williams either isn’t comfortable or isn’t allowed to take aggressive shots down the field, especially early in games against not prevent defenses. Either one of those is bad.

and Caleb is on pace to have 21 TD

I'm all for him throwing deep. Tyler Scott was a guy who was always open deep last year, he just couldn't catch the ball. I would have loved for him to be a designated deep pattern runner. He has disappeared this year. Moore is going to average the lowest YPC this year in his entire career. It seems much more likely it is play calling than his willingness to take a risk.

That said, I don't subscribe to your interceptions theory.

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This is the point, I don’t think either of us is saying that the Bears should be like “Oh shit, time to throw pick here Caleb”. It’s moreso that the outcome of Williams being aggressive in the context of coaching that he needs to take shots downfield will either result in a bunch of TDs or a bunch of picks or a combination of both.

I’ve said a bunch of times, regardless of play calling or Williams risk aversion to throwing downfield, it’s problematic. Also this doesn’t even address what others have brought up sitting back there holding onto the ball to avoid interceptions is getting the guy killed. Like Tom Moore said, 1,2,3 throw the fucking ball away. But in this instance, instead of throwing it away, just try to squeeze it in there. You’ve got nothing to lose, and you’ll stay healthier in the process.

Zero completions over 50 yards. BRUTAL.

I understand that the rep on Caleb was his hero ball tendencies, and we certainly saw that last night a few times where it ended badly for him, and while I can appreciate him trying to make an electrifying play, he can't go to that well as often as he has, at least not now. But come on, we've been hearing this "1, 2, 3, THROW or THROW OUT OF BOUNDS" for 3 straight Bears QBs now. It's the rhetorical crutch of people battered by years of offensive schemes woefully behind the times. If the Bears are being hamstrung to run an offense with routes that give receivers 3 seconds to get open, after which the ball should be thrown out of bounds lest the QB risk getting sacked, something is fundamentally wrong with the people supposed to be preventing the sacks.

Less "theorizing" more results. He sucks. And the "Crutch of Redskins" doesn't seem to be impacting Jayden Daniels does it? Just Asking A Question.

The Bears provided this kid with 2 1200 yard receivers (from the previous season which means they both can still play Tee Time) and a top 10 receiver from this year's draft, yet they have one of the worst passing attacks in the NFL. If he isn't to blame for this then who is?

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Caleb has taken many inaccurate shots downfield.

He should try being good at 1 arm angle before rolling out 10 different angles. I would be concerned that his best two throws of the night on the TD and the free play in the 4th were both a SS throwing a dart to 1st. There was a deep one in the 2nd half to the endzone that floated a good 10 yards past the wr out of the end zone i believe.

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I didn't say that he deserves no blame, but I'd suggest that the offensive line that has allowed the most sacks of their QB, is in the bottom quartile of pocket time, third in the league in allowing pressure to force a scramble, and are bottom-third in Yards per Rushing Attempt in the league would be a good spot to place a large chunk of the blame.

Most of they/them's tds occurred in those situations. So...

And I'd say that a great deal of that is on him as well. Caleb isn't being pressured more than most of the other QBs in the league. He's being sacked on his pressures more than all of the other QBs in the league. Which means that it is mostly on him.

His avg time to throw is also league avg or possibly better than league avg last I checked too.

His issue is and will continue to be his inaccuracy as a passer. Which I detected as far back as the preseason. He doesn't throw the ball to his intended target all that well. And he is atrocious when it comes to throwing deep. Those things are deal killers for QBs and things which really aren't all that correctable either.

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Yeah, this is a terrible offensive line and the play calling adds to its inability to move the football. It also points out that the coaching of Williams has not improved his potential playmaking ability in fact it has hurt it amazingly. Its like they purposely put both he and Fields into no win situations with the lack of even average blockers and refusal to use the tight end as a target. Somehow this has got to find its way back to Poles being the problem. He pretty much had every chance in the world to basically sculpt this team int a WINNER and BLEW IT. I think he needs to be FIRED.

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It’s a combination of things.. some of it is Caleb, some of it is coaching, some of it is O-line.


This is how it was with Mitch, and how it was with Justin.


Caleb is a rookie so the hope is that as he gains experience his end of this improves. If the Bears then find the right coach, that coach improves the coaching/scheming/play calling side of the bad .. same goes for finding better talent on the O-line.


The question is, what combination of these things comes to fruition.. all, some, or none?

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You don’t think having a passing attack that moves backwards just about as often as it moves forwards creates some issues for the run game?

The problem is Caleb Williams. It’s staring you in the face.

Well, why does a passing attack move backwards, could it be a league-leading amount of sacks allowed? And might an offensive line which allows a league leading amount of sacks also be bad at run blocking?

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I'd say that one of Williams biggest limitations as a qb is his inability to buy time in the pocket. He goes to a spot and when rushed, pretty much he's fucked. He is a good runner but he doesn't use his legs to get to a spot in which to throw. He just sort of panics back there right now. Maybe he just hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game and with the crap pass blockers he's got in front of him, he is easy to sack.

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